Baseball fans love to discuss the question of who the greatest players ever were. Unfortunately, the discussion tends to be very limited - white players from before 1900 are frequently ignored. Even more disturbing is the ignorance of black players before 1947. The fact that few self-described hardcore fans even recognize the name Oscar Charleston shows how frightening this lack of knowledge is. Charleston, you see, was the greatest player in the primarily black-owned and -operated Negro Leagues where Jackie Robinson, Hank Aaron and Ernie Banks got their start and the only American forum for black baseball players before integration. Josh Gibson and Satchel Paige have retained greater popularity, but they were far less skilled than Charleston. Charleston routinely led the Negro Leagues in categories such as average, doubles, triples, homers and steals. To understand the significance of this, take a look at Barry Bonds, the greatest player of the past 30 years. Now imagine if Bonds led all black baseball players in all of the above five categories on a regular basis - and played Gold Glove center field while he was at it. That gives you an idea of what Oscar Charleston was like. Oh, he also was the manager of the greatest team in Negro League history, for good measure. John Henry Lloyd is another widely ignored Negro League great. "Pop" Lloyd was often compared, when he played, to Honus Wagner, the greatest white shortstop ever, and was called "The Black Honus Wagner". Wagner said "After I saw him play, I felt honored that they should name such a great ballplayer after me." Yet on the official all-century team ballot, Lloyd's name wasn't even included. No one who has studied his career in any detail places him below the likes of Cal Ripken Jr. and Ozzie Smith, who were on the ballot instead. While leaving Ed Delahanty off all-century teams makes sense (he died in 1903, after hitting .333 at age 35, following years of .376 and .354), his exclusion from consideration of all-time teams is astounding. He has the seventh highest batting average ever, led his league in slugging five times and was among the top 5 in homers six times and the top ten in total bases 11 times. Despite playing in the dead ball era, he managed to top a .500 career slugging percentage. Yet because he played primarily in the 19th century, almost no one raises his name in discussing who follows Ted Williams among all-time left fielders. Smokey Joe Williams is often ranked as one of the top five pitchers in baseball history, yet wasn't even inducted into the Hall of Fame till a year ago. Some place him second to only Walter Johnson, but Williams got slighted due to his skin color - and still gets slighted. Lacking the showman personality and wit of Satchel Paige, he is rated as the better hurler by any Negro League scholar and was similarly given a higher rating when the Pittsburgh Courier once listed the all-time Negro League team. When you say "Smokey Joe", though, the baseball fan thinks "Smokey Joe Wood" instead. Even when Williams finally got into Cooperstown, the media basically ignored the belated honor. There are other early-era whites and Negro League blacks who get slighted in "top 10" or "top 20" lists by position, too numerous to cover each in depth (which increases the shamefulness of the matter) - men like Buck Ewing, Willie Wells, King Kelly, Buck Leonard, Roger Connor, Turkey Stearnes, Billy Hamilton and Sam Thompson. Until men like Charleston are included in discussions of the best players ever, or men like Delahanty and Wells are included in discussions of the best at their position, baseball fans will be overlooking some great talents, offering false conclusions as a result. Mischa Gelman scored exactly one point in his high school basketball career.